tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post7373398728891659352..comments2023-10-22T10:09:51.765-07:00Comments on The Pastors' Pen: Kim Davis is not a TheonomistPastor Louishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12421322668429746416noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-89596424888116862432018-01-31T16:04:35.478-08:002018-01-31T16:04:35.478-08:00"This view must be rejected without question.... "This view must be rejected without question. Only the very fringe fall into this category."<br /><br />Since Jesus stated clearly that His kingdom is not of this world, and since we have many saints since Apostolic times who did not engage in politics, and since the writers of the New Testament and Gospels spend little time in what we could call politics, can you share with us some Biblical evidence showing why these Christians should be considered "on the fringe". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05183256328952123303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-88631764281230688742018-01-31T16:04:33.741-08:002018-01-31T16:04:33.741-08:00"This view must be rejected without question.... "This view must be rejected without question. Only the very fringe fall into this category."<br /><br />Since Jesus stated clearly that His kingdom is not of this world, and since we have many saints since Apostolic times who did not engage in politics, and since the writers of the New Testament and Gospels spend little time in what we could call politics, can you share with us some Biblical evidence showing why these Christians should be considered "on the fringe". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05183256328952123303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-70511266553821988062018-01-25T21:03:15.387-08:002018-01-25T21:03:15.387-08:00There is no such thing as evil. The universe simpl...There is no such thing as evil. The universe simply is. Pastor Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421322668429746416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-80770735050263567362018-01-25T17:36:31.001-08:002018-01-25T17:36:31.001-08:00Humanity needs to reject these myths , there is no...Humanity needs to reject these myths , there is no truth in any thing that needs to be kep't alive though the brainwashing of each new generation .Religion is a force for evil , be it christian muslim or what ever . It needs to end .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08341943745697750569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-90640214374136327852015-09-04T09:42:37.228-07:002015-09-04T09:42:37.228-07:00Yes. You have correctly identified one of the inco...Yes. You have correctly identified one of the inconsistencies in Theonomic thought. They do not believe that Old Testament penal laws are to be enforced ex-post facto. However, they believe that man is to demand submission to all other moral laws here and now (which is why Theonomists think that Kim Davis is doing the right thing by demanding God's morality over man's. <br /><br />So the question is why do Theonomists say that God's penal laws are morally binding upon all people and all places, except when the governing authority refuses to submit to them? That's not "all people in all places in all times." Since when do Theonomists say that God's law is binding on all men unless they reject God's laws and so God's laws are not binding until they are acknowledged by man? Theonomists have always said that God's laws are binding even if man refuses to acknowledge God's laws or not. So why do they change their tune when it comes to the penal laws (which they claim are just as moral as any other law)? <br /><br />Did God ever say that adulterers should be put to death but if they commit adultery during in a time period in which the rulers reject God's law, then they should NOT be put to death? <br /><br />Remember when King Josiah found the book of the law and he began reforming the nation, <br />"And Josiah removed all the shrines also of the high places that were in the cities of Samaria, which kings of Israel had made, provoking the Lord to anger. He did to them according to all that he had done at Bethel. 20 And he sacrificed all the priests of the high places who were there, on the altars, and burned human bones on them. Then he returned to Jerusalem."<br /><br />Why did Josiah put the priests to death when they had worshiped idols during a time period when the law of God was not enforced? Was Josiah being wicked? Or was Josiah recognizing that these men deserved to be put to death because the law demanded that they be put to death?<br /><br />Why did Josiah do all of this ex post facto? Pastor Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421322668429746416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-32171506793032590992015-09-04T09:39:51.402-07:002015-09-04T09:39:51.402-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pastor Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421322668429746416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-22007463312710180682015-09-04T09:15:11.918-07:002015-09-04T09:15:11.918-07:00No theonomist believes in enforcing laws ex post f...No theonomist believes in enforcing laws ex post facto. If the laws of the land were ever to be in alignment with God's civil laws as revealed to Moses, then *from that time on* the appropriate punishments would be enforced on those found guilty of breaking the laws. No civil magistrate would round up all the people who were *previously* adulterers, murderers, etc. and execute them.The Lonely Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17450933881896401971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-51255569359041078042015-09-04T06:31:45.807-07:002015-09-04T06:31:45.807-07:00I understand your point. I will acknowledge that i...I understand your point. I will acknowledge that it is possible that she could support Theonomy, but she could do so only by being inconsistent in her own thought. In Theonomic thought, if a criminal who has committed a capital crime has become saved, their professed faith does not automatically get a free pass off of death row. so for her to be a consistent Theonomist she would have to contend that the government still has a responsibility to put her to death for her past actions. So why then would she not be equally protesting the governments refusal to put her to death just as she is protesting the government's requirements for issuing marriage licenses? For her to be consistent, she would have to also demand that the government put her to death, as well as every other Christian who has committed crimes "worthy of death." <br /><br />So yes, it's possible for her to hold to contradictory views, people do it all the time. My point was simply that the only possible way for her to hold to Theonomy would be to practice inconsistency within her own mind and actions. Pastor Louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12421322668429746416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2181137923635382192.post-71646101898266254512015-09-04T06:20:05.708-07:002015-09-04T06:20:05.708-07:00I'm not sure that the argument that she is not...I'm not sure that the argument that she is not a theonomist holds. I'm not saying that she is a theonomist -- I don't know anything about her theological beliefs. She certainly seems to have done terrible things before she became a Christian, but it's entirely possible that she now realizes how abhorrent her actions were towards God, and feels that society should not condone them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04224523004816499563noreply@blogger.com